Query:
If a person realizes himself does his Personal Horoscope still hold true? What
is Horoscope? When you realize everthing is manifestation of one great spirit,
how come you still have a personal side which carries on with the veil of illusion
or Maya?
Vijay
Kumar:
Self Realization
is not something related to the physical manifested world ... one having Realized
God ... rises much above the working of senses and the mind ... everything physically
present on Mother Earth is of no use to him ... as it was to Buddha, Mahavira,
Jesus Christ,
Prophet
Mohammed, Ramakrishna
Paramhansa and Maharishi Ramana. These man Gods after having Realized
God ... left their mortal frame forever ... they liberated themselves from the
cycle of birth
and death ... free forever... never to return back and manifest a form.
Underestimating
the significance of Self Realization ... always trying to find a solution to a
Spiritual problem from the view of senses ... is something which is prohibited
in the domain of God. Only after a person gains control of senses and also the
mind completely ... does one reach the stage of Nirvikalpa Samadhi ... the stage
of absolute nothingness ... the stage when all becomes calm and one can any time
enter into a dialogue with God Almighty.
I
shall narrate one example, which will make the concept more clear-
Two persons
were fighting each other at the base of the Empire State building ... in the meanwhile
one of the friends who was already in the queue for the lift got the call ...
he left the fighting ... and rushed to the top floor of the Empire State building.
The sooner he reached the top ... he was so mesmerized by the all-round beauty
perceptible to him from such a height that when someone enquired him of his friend,
he just replied, a-ha ... and continued enjoying the beauty of the nature and
also the unending creations of mankind.
When he was asked, what about the fight with his friend, he replied, "fighting!
For what" ... he did not even remember the matter of the fight. In the Spiritual
domain the sooner we rise higher ... all trivial matters of the physical manifested
world loose their remaining. Horoscopes and what not are only related to the physical
manifested part of the cosmic life ... the moment one realizes god ... we are
out of the clutches of even destiny ... this being our last birth ... we shall
only achieve Moksha Salvation.
Here I shall
narrate a very interesting part of life-
At any moment of time ... every atman
soul is passing through two phases of life ... one the domain of Atman (the energy
form) and another the physical manifest form of a human being ... everything
in our right hand indicates whatever is destined for us in the present physical manifest form ... palmists are able to read our right hand and tell us what
we can expect out of life.
The left hand indicates the complete residual balance ... of all the physical manifest forms our atman the soul within has experienced while traveling on
the cosmic path. In other words left hand indicates the story of our residual
Karma of all the previous lives ... palmists normally are unable to read the left
hand ... it is rather a very complicated structure ... none is supposed to think
of the past ... we are not supposed to indulge in matters related to our past
life ... and hence the inability of the palmists! What value is of
a life span of 70 to 80 years compared to the 96.4 million years of the cosmic
life every atman the soul within has to pass through!
Palmistry,
astrology, numerology are all different sciences by which people can know what
is destined for them ... and if one desires to take the charge of the destiny
... one needs to break the bonds of the earlier lives ... we have to do prayashchita
(pashchatapa) for the wrong deeds committed in the past lives. This is something
very difficult to achieve, as one does not know the right Mantra and the procedure.
Unless we burn out our Karma ... all residual Karma of past lives are reduced
to ashes ... how can we ever hope that our atman the soul within shall liberate
from cycle of Birth and Death forever.
Horoscopes
is the end result of astrology ... given the time of our birth and the date ...
the astrologers based on the readings of the horoscope are able to interpret the
destiny of our present life ... horoscopes primarily confirms the fact that everything
in the cosmos is nothing but energy. The human form is visible only from the senses
point of view. From the angle of atman the soul within ... every human body is
but a cluster of atoms and molecules. Similarly all planets and stars are also
a cluster of atoms and molecules. As happens in magnetism ... the two ends of
a magnet have diverse tendencies ... one is a North Pole ... it attracts and other
a South Pole ... it repels.
In astrology it is believed ... every human being which is but a cluster of atoms
and molecules gets effected by the planetary movement all around ... this results
in the astrologer being able to predict correctly the position of the planets
at the time of our birth. Looking at the horoscope ... the astrologer now can
quite correctly predict our destiny ... based on the residual Karma at that moment
of life ... he is able to indicate what is in store for us in the balance life.
Once we Realize
God ... the planetary moments do not affect us as all dross having being removed
... there does not remain a North and a South Pole. One has merged his identity
with the greater whole ... we have become one with God Almighty. The small part
of the puzzle (the Atman) has now joined with the greater puzzle (God Almighty).
Every human being
when he reaches the last leg of his life ... the 8.4 millionth manifestation ...
can either leave the body immediately and attain Moksha Salvation ... or can disseminate
the cosmic wisdom so learned to the masses before seeking Moksha Salvation. Both
the paths are correct. The ultimate goal after the present life for a self realized
soul is the same. Whether we leave the body right after the Realization or after
a certain period of time is immaterial.
While I was proceeding on the path of Self Realization ... there came a day ...
when God asked of me which path I want to follow ... having reached my last manifestation,
the 8.4 millionth life ... do I want to leave the body immediately ... which was
possible for me to do within a period of three hours ... or I wanted to disseminate
the knowledge ... the knowledge of the absolute thus gained. I was told that I
could take the path followed by Buddha or the Mahavira.
Gautama
Buddha started in search of Self Realization and proceeded to the jungles (deep
forests) absolutely naked (leaving every trace of the physical manifested world
... anything which one could call his own far behind). He did not have a Guru
... he had to introspect on his own and reach conclusions. He left his household
without having burnt his Karma. He touched the feet of his wife and child while
they were asleep and left the household in the naked condition. This does not
absolve us of our duties towards our family and also the parents. We need to burn
our Karma before we proceed on the path of Self Realization ... the ultimate goal
of any life.
The
mistake was committed ... Gautama Buddha had no alternative ... he was very desperate
to know and understand the absolute truth. Nothing short of absolute truth would
convince him. Gautama Buddha roamed the jungles in search of absolute truth ...
he very persistently and patiently searched for the absolute truth ... yet, he
failed to learn the absolute truth. He returned from the jungles (deep forests)
back to the community with the hope that may be while living in the community
he may gain Self Realization.
But it was not to be. He was finding it difficult to know the absolute truth without
the help of a Guru. He tried what not ... every available means ... yet the goal
was nowhere in sight. He understood the folly of his actions. He felt that it
is neither in the jungles (deep forests) alone or while living in the community
... can one understand the total system of God. But finally at the end part of
his life, at the right age of 81 he Realized God. He was truly fed up at that
stage of life. He did not want to continue further with the ailing body and soon
after gained Moksha Salvation ... leaving the mortal frame.
Gautama
Buddha thus advocated the theory of middle path ... neither to the jungles nor
while living in the community can one Realize God. He advocated taking the middle
path ... keeping a balance between the two worlds he emphasized could lead to
God Realization.
On
the contrary Mahavira gained Realization at the age of 42 ... he did not desire
leaving the body immediately ... he wanted to preach ... give back to the community
what he had learnt ... and then leave for the final abode ... Baikuntha (the abode
of God) ... this is the place where all Atmans reside after they have liberated
themselves.
Mahavira preached for a total period of about 30 years before attaining Moksha
Salvation at the age of 72. When God made both the things clear to me ... I opted
for the path chosen by Mahavira ... and thus I am disseminating whatever I have
learnt while proceeding on the path of Self Realization. The services I provide
to the world community by the grace of God is all absolutely free to mankind ...
I am not supposed to levy a fee as desired by God ... I am but permitted to fulfill
the basic needs of my family and those dependent upon me.
Now
I shall I narrate why that small part of ego is essential for retaining the body.
Having Realized God ... we have almost attained hundred percent purity ... if
we leave things in the hand of God then as per the cosmic system ... our atman
the soul within shall immediately have to leave the mortal frame because it is
not even in the control of atman the soul within to retain the body even having
attained hundred percent purity.
It
is like this-
When we have separated one KG of pure silver from the lump of
hundred KG of silver ore ... 99% impurities dissolved forever ... even after having
attained full purity this one KG lump of silver if left in the open oxidizes and
takes a black coating.
This small impurity is necessitated in the case of atman soul to maintain the
physical manifest form ... lest our atman the soul within leave the body. Having
Realized God I have also maintained a small level of impurity ... this small impurity
is a making of my own ... I can quit the physical manifest form as and when
I want to. Similarly as one KG of pure silver is not required to be passed through
the mining process again for removing the outer black coating ... having gained
Realization one needs to maintain small level of impurity to keep the body going.
To remove the black coating ... we need to polish the one KG of lump and it shall
again come back to its original shining form.
Once
when someone asked of Ramakrishna Paramhansa why he was so fond of making food
and serving the others ... his reply was, I am maintaining this body only by keeping
my fondness for food ... otherwise, this mortal frame would have left long back.
The liking for food was not for his own physical comfort but he deeply enjoyed
serving the community with the food prepared by his own hands.
Having
Realized God ... our ego has merged with the bigger whole. At no stage can it
be stated that it was the ego of Ramakrishna Paramhansa that he had a liking for
the food. It is not so. I am continuing my body not for the sake of any personal
vested interest ... having devoid of any ego ... I but desire to serve the community
to its logical end. For a god-realized soul ... Ignorance having removed ... the
role of Maya (ignorance) comes to an end forever. Only after unveiling Maya that
God Almighty gives us a darshan ... a face-to-face dialogue with God.
May
God bless you in your endeavors!
Always
there to clarify your queries (send
your query),
Vijay
Kumar "Atma
Jnani"
Vijay Kumar... The Man who Realized God in 1993 on Horoscopes.
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Full text of query:
My question to you is,
if a person realizes himself does his personal horoscope still hold true? Personal
horoscopes only talk about things like the money you will make and who you are
going to get married to etc. But when you rise above this and start looking at
things from a much broader persepective and see that none of the things like marriage
etc matter to you, then does it still hold true?
What
is horoscope? When you realize that everthing is a manifestation of one great
spirit, how come you still have a personal side left which carries on with the
illusion or Maya? I sincerely hope that I have made myself clear, In anticipation
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